Honduran hit and run
One of my commentators seems to think I have nothing to do all day but answer their specific comments. I spend more time than is healthy (or economically prudent) on this site, but try — within reason — to at least read the comments.
As to lingering questions of whether or not the U.S. has recognized the coup in Honduras, and responded appropriately, “El Duderino” (Abiding in Bolivia) has the best response:
Obama spilled some real idiocy the other day about Honduras and how pro-democracy, pro-Zelaya critics of US policy are “hypocritical”.
The same critics who say that the United States has not intervened enough in Honduras are the same people who say that we’re always intervening and the Yankees need to get out of Latin America. You can’t have it both ways…If these critics think that it’s appropriate for us to suddenly act in ways that in every other context they consider inappropriate, then I think what that indicates is, is that maybe there’s some hypocrisy involved in their approach to US-Latin America relations that certainly is not going to guide my administration’s policies.
First of all, this statement assumes the US is currently not involved in Honduras and that the military coup is not supported by powerful interests in the United States, which of course it is. Believing otherwise would require total ignorance of the modern history of US involvement in Latin America. Someone needs to read their copy of The Open Veins of Latin America.
Second, when we say “the Yankees need to get out of Latin America” the prejorative yankuí is specifically used, that is the “ugly American”. I am a gringo living happily in Latin America and no one has ever told me to go home, but I also don’t go around overthrowing democratic constitutions, training mass murders, or giving covert support to fascists. Maybe, just maybe if you respected your neighbors democracies, they wouldn’t mind inviting you over now and again.
Third, if we are “hypocrites” then so is US Law which requires the United States to cease economic and political relations with countries after a military coup, but of course the United States is the only government in the world which has refused to label the “defacto government” a military coup.
Lastly, remember that the “hypocritcal critics” Obama is refering to does not just include me and my unwashed hippy friends, those critics include President Zelaya himself and nearly every other government in Latin America, including Brazil- remember, the gaint of the south.
Read a book dumbass.






What exactly is the law you are referring to that requires the US to automatically engage in certain punitive actions in the event of a coup? Can you provide a link to this law?
And Obama is exactly right. You guys are condemning the US for refusing to do now what you condemned the US for doing in the past.
And don’t give me that nonsense about economic boycotts and freezing assets – these are purely symbolic actions, at least with respect to those in power. They have never, ever proven successful in disloding illegal office/power holders. Just look at Zimbabwe, Burma, North Korea, Iran, etc. Those extra things you’re demanding of the US are purely ornamental and will have no effect on the outcome of the standoff in Honduras.
What you really want is for the US to actively punish the coup lotters in some childish and unhelpful way, to slake your own thirst for vengeance. You don’t seem to be thinking that the harder line the US takes, the more the coup plotters will dig in, which will make a return of Zelaya to Honduras even less of a possibility.
So which do you want?
Feel free to steal my posts anytime. Thanks.
Telzey,
You are running out of nonsense to spin.
“The Foreign Appropriations Act requires that the United States suspend all aid and training if a coup—if a country has undergone a coup.”
From Democracy Now interviewing on the US continued military assistence to the coup regime. http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/21/despite_pledge_to_cut_military_ties
Now, may I ask you, which do you want democracy in Honduras or not? You cannot have it both ways.
The US is the only, repeat only government in the world giving the coup regime any slack. Punative economic measures, such as freezing the assests of coup leaders or revoking their visa would not be only “symbolic” but have an immediate and very concrete effect on these douchebags wallets, which is what they care about most- that’s why they pulled a coup (Zelaya dramatically raised the minimum wage).
The United States is, for all practical purposes, Honduras’ only export market (your cheap cloths come from there). Threatening that market would directly effect the business leaders behind the coup and would make them think twice.
Finally, if you actually support Zelaya and his rightful and democratic mandate you might want to listen to his words, “the US could end this crisis in 5 minutes.”
Read a book dumbass.
Afraid that’s it, Telzey. It’s not a free speech issue (you’re free to set up your own free website, or pay for one [as I do]), but not to use rude and insulting language on my own site. Bad politics I’ll tolerate. Bad manners — no.
Do you think Duderino’s comment to Telzey to “Read a book, dumbass” also qualifies as abuse? I think it does. So, to be fair, you need to ban Duderino as well?
No… two guests saying slightly rude things to each other is between them. My guests DEMANDING responses within 24 hours… and then making accusations about their host is something different. And “banned”? Try “ignored”.
But you said the issue was “rude and insulting language”. Dumbass definitely qualifies as that. It does seem as though you are censoring Telzey for her/his opinions, rather than how they are expressed.
Actually, I’d say that “dumbass” was nothing more than truth in labelling. And as such, fair comment.
BTW, the Dude is spot on with all but one minor detail: Canada, too, gets textile products from Honduran sweatshops, thanks to that unholy mess that is NAFTA/CAFTA. I’m going to be looking v-e-r-y closely at any T-shirts or underwear I buy before this putsch is over, and if it says “hecho en Honduras”, some local bottom-feeder will not be receiving any dinero from me.
I am working for a national magazine compiling a list called, “100 Blogs You Don’t Read But Should”, and I was going to add Mexfiles to that list. But after reading this comment thread, I am not going to include it. I’m looking for blogs that are fair, objective and if they enforce exclusionary polcies, they enforce them on all, not only on some.
It’s a shame, because otherwise this blog has a lot to offer.
It’s a shame that you didn’t think to change your email address before posting, “TImo”,having previously posted that you and Telzey are a team.
Thomas and Telzey,
How old are you guys 8 years olds? Your egos are so broken by an anynomous commentator calling you stupid when you have no argument with which to responds critically? And you judge Mexfiles by my languages? You are seriously clowns.
Oh yeah, and what about that Honduran coup? Got anything to says?
You should at least point out my typos, lol.