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16 September 2010

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  1. 16 September 2010 11:33 am

    Ok, I will start.

    His failings as an insurgent and the short sighted nature of his objectives continue to plaque México into the 21st century.

    • Jose Guadalupe Garcia Cavazos permalink
      16 September 2010 5:58 pm

      Whoa!First of all, the objective was met. Mexico gained it’s independance. Second of all, elaborate, how did the “short sighted nature of his objectives continue to plague Mexico”?

      • 16 September 2010 11:19 pm

        After Hidalgo’s execution Mexico continued fighting until 1821 for “Independence.” If not for his military blunders he could have made this a much shorter military campaign and saved many, many lives and much of Mexico’s infrastructure would have been spared.

        Who won their political autonomy versus who did not? The lives of the indigenous peoples did not improve as a result of the Criollos political independence.

        The problems that existed in 1810 remained in 1910 when Mexicans again fought for their independence and well…we can leave it for another time to discuss if el pueblo lost agin.

        Of course he did not actually declare independence, but instead demanded better government.

    • Jose Guadalupe Garcia permalink
      17 September 2010 12:04 am

      I see your point, yes he was a terrible general(and a bad priest), but his overall actions of social agitation is what started the move to rebel against the Spaniards and all of the gueros. I just don’t understand how his “failure as an insurgent ” and or his lack of planning continue to plague us today. Remember, he is know for “El Grito”. Yes, he didn’t see the end of Mexico’s independence, but his cry for the end of injustice and oppression was heard through Mexico and his his rebellion was snowballed in to something bigger. So, I don’t think that Mexico is “plagued” in any way by his ineptness as a general. If Mexico is plagued by anything it would be the loss of half of our territory.

      • humberto permalink
        18 September 2010 12:30 am

        hahaha, typical of us mexicans to talk about issues from 120+ years ago as if they where yesterday.
        As a norteno, i feel we are plagued by living in the past.
        I look forward to the day that the south of USA and Mexico’s north form a new country.

  2. Jose "Chato" Garcia permalink
    12 September 2012 8:50 pm

    Ejole, I have to get into this thread! The murderous rampage unleashed on the countryside was triggered by the discovery of the plot to Mexican independence from Spain, somewhere around the 15th of September, 1810. Dona Josefa Dominguez sent Ignacio Perez to Dolores in a frenzied attempt to warn Juan de Aldama, Captain Ignacio Allende and Father Miguel Hidalgo that the government had discovered their planned revolt. Thus began the 1st upheaval costing countless lives and sending Mexico into a never ending cycle of wars of attrition, with each generation outdoing each other until Mexico fell into the hands of Porfirio Diaz some 70 years later. Then came a series of Revolutions beginning with the Magonistas and ending with the onset of the 2nd World War, costing Mexico over five million lives and untold human suffering, and generation after generation either sending their men off to war or exporting their genetic pool to the United States! It is no wonder that Mexico to this day is the staging ground of a new order ruled by strong men with unlimited amount of money to continue the killing, institutionalize graft and corruption. How can a Nation build a society under the rule of law when a nation like Mexico has not seen not even one Century without having to sacrifice their bloodlines to the killing fields of internecine wars.


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